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Caroline Royal Member of BonBon

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I always liked the name Tlazoteotl... or Oxycotyl.
Does anyone know what the same of the Japanesse "Snow Princess" or "Snow Fairy" is? I always kinda liked that story too.
And, for me, zombies aren't necessarily "mystical" creatures... mostly because zombies work on the weird-shared emotion of "mass infection", which is one of the reasons the "Resident Evil" series is actually named "Biohazard" in the original.
In a lot of modern zombie lore, the fear that zombies cause isn't really from their super-human strength or endurance... but the idea of becoming infected and turning. Same sort of idea as the movie "The Thing" and its related short story "Who Goes There?" For whatever pshycological reason, being "clean" and not "infected" seems to get under everyone's skin. So, zombies push the envelope of the idea of a global plague. A plague that cannot be contained, and it is only a matter of time before you become infected.
Though... I always did wonder why zombies don't eat each other... isn't one brain as good as any other? And for those of you curious the whole "gotta shot them in the head" thingy evolved from a lot of the spagetti zombie movies of the 70s and 80s... which were later popularized by George Romero.
In older zombie lore, zombies are mind-controlled... more of a voodoo zombie thing. Which to me is funny, as vampires are often associated with zombies, but... often vampire powers are actually centered around bats and wolves, and being able to summon those creatures.
... okay, I think I've rambled on long enough. |
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peter_wolf Rank: Veteran

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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:34 am Post subject: |
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to be honest the whole eating brains thing is kind of a joke in the seance that you would need your brain to become a zombie in the first place because of the fact that the only thing still alive in you is your brain it is still sending neural synapses to your body but they are only the basic functions like eat, and move the whole mass infection thing is really over rated in my opinion do to this fact.
now zombies eating other zombies is a good point seeing how the whole every ones a zombie and there's no more food, and in that seance then yes i would think they would eat each other out of just hunger
now that being said zombies have what i guess we could call a shelf life do to that fact that they are all dead and there bodies would decay like normal in fact that's where the whole them eating brains came in at they thought that if the zombie ate the brains of the living then there bodies would not decay. _________________ you all saw it, the orphanage attacked me first. |
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Tadelesh Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:47 am Post subject: |
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There are many versions of the modern kind of zombie, some of which don't eat brains, but merely bite just to spread the infection. Some are fast, some are slow, some are pretty much impossible to kill (even a shot to the head doesn't kill them - I find that ridiculous). Personally, if it's one of those plague-like infecting zombies, I don't class it as mythical; like Johnny, I consider only something that goes back to folklore and such as mythical, and these kinds of zombies are more modern fiction than myth. So please, let's stop discussing them in a thread about mythical creatures, as they're not mythical creatures. _________________ Wow, sarcasm! That's original. |
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Tearlach Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Caroline wrote: | I always liked the name Tlazoteotl... or Oxycotyl.
Does anyone know what the same of the Japanesse "Snow Princess" or "Snow Fairy" is? I always kinda liked that story too. |
The name you requested is Yuki-Onna. The Snow Queen, Lady of the snow or winter ghost. She often disappears in a white mist. _________________ Terminus: http://forums.pleasurebonbon.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=239198#239198
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Tadelesh wrote: | Personally, if it's one of those plague-like infecting zombies, I don't class it as mythical; like Johnny, I consider only something that goes back to folklore and such as mythical, and these kinds of zombies are more modern fiction than myth. So please, let's stop discussing them in a thread about mythical creatures, as they're not mythical creatures. | I don't know, I sort of half-way consider zombies as mythical creatures, if only because they're based on two (largely unrelated) mythical creatures: zombies and ghouls. Zombies are derived from the West African/Caribbean Vodoun (Voodoo) culture, and are basically resurrected corpses lacking any will (usually the result of Vodou sorcery). Ghouls are derived from Arabian tales of flesh-eating, demonic jinns that attack weary travelers, prey upon small children, rob graves, and eat the dead. Thanks to George Romero's Night of the Living Dead, both creatures have become mixxed together into one cannibalistic undead species popularly referred to as "zombies".
An interesting adendum, while watching the original Night of the Living Dead myself, I've noticed that no mention of "infection" is brought up, and that the reason behind the dead rising from their graves is never fully explained, though the likely culprit is radiation (explained on a radio report as coming from a space probe that exploded in the Earth's atmosphere). In this sense, the "cause" was built around Cold War era fears about radioactivity and nuclear explosions, as well as the usual fears of scientists stepping over boundaries they shouldn't have.
That second fear transfers over to more modern zombie-horror films (that are direct decendents of Night of the Living Dead); both 28 Days Later (which is less of a "zombie film" as a "plague film") and Resident Evil feature infections (the Rage Virus and the T-Virus, respectively) that were created in laboratories. The "infection" angle to the stories could be both related to vampire and werewolf fiction (which were usually referred to as "curses" rather than "infections" before modern times) and modern concerns over pandemic diseases (both in the forms of man-made, biological contaminants and in naturally occuring, extremely resilient "super-bugs") _________________ Johnny's Fanfics (including Sureshot! A Bon Bon Tale)
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JohnnyPsycho Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Tearlach wrote: | Caroline wrote: | I always liked the name Tlazoteotl... or Oxycotyl.
Does anyone know what the same of the Japanesse "Snow Princess" or "Snow Fairy" is? I always kinda liked that story too. |
The name you requested is Yuki-Onna. The Snow Queen, Lady of the snow or winter ghost. She often disappears in a white mist. | One of my favorite Japanese films, Kwaidan, features a story about a Yukionna. I highly recommend the movie to anyone who likes ghost stories. _________________ Johnny's Fanfics (including Sureshot! A Bon Bon Tale)
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Mythical creatures... hmmm...
I know! How 'bout the Wendigo or Raw Head and Bloody Bones? _________________ "One night in Bangkok and the world's your oyster.
The bars are temples, but the pearls ain't free...
You'll find a god in every golden cloister,
And if you're lucky then the god's a she..." |
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:58 am Post subject: |
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The Wendigo I know. It's sort of a Canadian Yeti, for those of you who don't. But the Raw Head and Bloody Bones are new to me. _________________ Silentium est aurum |
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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same here mind telling the ones that don't know what those are _________________ you all saw it, the orphanage attacked me first. |
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Raw Head and Bloody Bones was a sort of bogeyman that English peasantry used to scare their children into staying in bed at night.
"If you stray from bed, Raw Head and Bloody Bones will creep out from under the stairs and get you!"
He supposedly looked like a skeleton covered with blood and bits of skin.
 _________________ "One night in Bangkok and the world's your oyster.
The bars are temples, but the pearls ain't free...
You'll find a god in every golden cloister,
And if you're lucky then the god's a she..." |
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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thats really....morbid _________________ why must we fight who we really are? |
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Tearlach Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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do you mean ring around the rosy. _________________ you all saw it, the orphanage attacked me first. |
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Tadelesh Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_a_ring_of_roses
Either name is acceptable. Different places have different titles and lyrics. Tearlach, I believe you're referring to the fact that it is commonly known to refer to the black plague? That's not strictly true, as is mentioned in the Wikipedia entry I've linked to above. However, there is one children's song that really is morbid - Alouette. We sing it in French, and it doesn't seem too bad; translate it, though, and you'll be shocked. It's all about plucking a lark. _________________ Wow, sarcasm! That's original. |
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Chaosengine wrote: | Raw Head and Bloody Bones was a sort of bogeyman that English peasantry used to scare their children into staying in bed at night.
"If you stray from bed, Raw Head and Bloody Bones will creep out from under the stairs and get you!"
He supposedly looked like a skeleton covered with blood and bits of skin.
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Necrons! _________________ Fursona Info.
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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xick are you referring to the necrons from warhammer40k game because if your are all i have to say is
FOR THE IMPERIUM OF MAN!!! _________________ you all saw it, the orphanage attacked me first. |
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xivk Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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peter_wolf wrote: | xick are you referring to the necrons from warhammer40k game because if your are all i have to say is
FOR THE IMPERIUM OF MAN!!! |
CHARGE!!!!
but wheres our artillery? _________________ Fursona Info.
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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somebody call for an earth shaker
speaking of this would the orks and the chaos space marines be mythical _________________ you all saw it, the orphanage attacked me first. |
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xivk Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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peter_wolf wrote: | somebody call for an earth shaker
speaking of this would the orks and the chaos space marines be mythical |
hm... probably not seeing as they're just part of a huge story. probably have to check another 40000 years from now. _________________ Fursona Info.
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Chaosengine wrote: | Raw Head and Bloody Bones was a sort of bogeyman that English peasantry used to scare their children into staying in bed at night.
"If you stray from bed, Raw Head and Bloody Bones will creep out from under the stairs and get you!"
He supposedly looked like a skeleton covered with blood and bits of skin.
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This is from the 1992 BBC program broadcasted on Halloween of that year. Though the BBC denied it afterwards because of the uproar it caused, the program was set up to convince the viewers that the "Live broadcast" was real. It SCARED the fuck out of me, I was sitting alone watching it and that voice reciting ring -a-ring of roses.(shiver)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tPTDHEeLI0A&feature=related _________________ Terminus: http://forums.pleasurebonbon.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=239198#239198
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Caroline Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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To Tearlach:
It's been my experience that pretty much any children's rhyme or music can sound really creepy, spooky, and morbid. |
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Caroline wrote: | To Tearlach:
It's been my experience that pretty much any children's rhyme or music can sound really creepy, spooky, and morbid. |
actually people, there are a lot of old classic childrens rymes and story book that have hidden meanings. ring around the rosies was indeed originally created to teach kids about the plague and so they didn't forget what happened to the people who had it.
ring around the mulberry bush is a political struggle between the two governmental factions in the early 1800s. really made to be a joke m,ore than anything.
green egs and ham had to deal with racism....yes you heard me raacism.....think about it......you'll get it.
i could name more but then i'd be ranting. _________________ why must we fight who we really are? |
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Caroline Royal Member of BonBon

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Tearlach,
I know... I was more just saying that, to me, a lot of children's nursery rhymes, even without being done all spooky like, are still really creepy.
You know what else really creeps me out? Real, porcelin dolls... I don't know what it is about those things... in the daytime, they look all pretty and really cool... and at night, I swear those things watch me... just waiting for me to go to bed, so they can suffocate me.
Geeze did I hate my mom's collection of porcelin dolls...*shivers*
It's one of the reasons I really hate the whole clown scene from poltergeist. |
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Caroline wrote: | You know what else really creeps me out? Real, porcelin dolls... I don't know what it is about those things... in the daytime, they look all pretty and really cool... and at night, I swear those things watch me... just waiting for me to go to bed, so they can suffocate me. |
Well, it's true. Those things are evil incarnate and anyone who says otherwise is in league with them. Proven fact.
Speaking of creepy nursery ryhmes, my favorite is "Twiddle dee dum and twiddle dee dee, the old gray lady is after me. She wants my shoes, she wants my skin, there's no such size she can't fit in." The old gray lady being refered to is also known as the Hag, a mythical creature which stalked the night and killed whoever it came across and took their form by wearing their skin. _________________ Silentium est aurum |
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wow Ashton the hag is a bad one did not think any one would bring her up here and as for her what about the sirens, and Medusa... _________________ you all saw it, the orphanage attacked me first. |
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