JesseCapelli.com

[Ronald]

Yeah I read it. The guy is an idiot.

And no that method is not any better than this.

Basically what he wants is Vanessa to get paid once or earn money once and make the stuff free once she earns what she got out of it.

That's not considered 'doing business' but just an income Substitution model.

It provides little incentive for a 'self-employed' person to slave away for people's enjoyment while making only the 'bare minimum. Which currently we're already at right now. Slaving away as is on updates with membership dwindling and on the decline.

I have no reason to skim or rip Vanessa off and I do not. I keep an open book with Vanessa and Federico on monthly reports. I have been audited already by the IRS and my books are clean.

"Personally I hope that the artist goes with a more proven method- either publish the pages herself for a suitable donation and letting it be viewed by all. She gets all the money and piracy is no longer a matter."

That is hardly a proven method. The only reason its a proven method is because most artist have this idea in their head that publishing is just cool. And there is fame to it. Sure. The thrill of being published is everybody's dream. But most artist do not realize or think about money much, that's why the're mostly poor all the time.


I find it truely retarded that alot of artists sell their comic pages and work "ONE TIME" flat rate. With no royalities or residues. And the publishers pay them once and print the magazine and steal their copyrights and reprint and redistribute a few times. But yet the artist feels so happy cuz he's published. Or he was in a jam. and needed cash fast and so he agrees to this. But he should be thinking about royalities and residues. or some %.

Basically, I feel Vanessa should be making money for every member/viewer for her each of her work. The price could go down over time to make it more affordable. But not free.

It's like in the games industry, you publish, and then over time the game goes into discount bin or republished in a collection.

"For all to view without any compensation to the artist = piracy".


I will say that membership model currently is NOT the best method. And it's established the way it is because of the general porn industry - where they have the notion of signup and you get access to everything. And updates are piled on top over and over so that new members who join feel like its a great deal. This model fails in the sense that people who join and quit generally gets the best deals. While those who are on rebills actually are the ones supporting the site. I guess they get their updates live on the spot. While the others have to wait for it.

Ideally, our updates should be ONLY the current content. And all updates that are past one month old should be archived. And those who want to access old materials should pay extra. Like back issues.

Pay per view basically.

At the end of all this, I hope that the MMO game will be succesful.

Comics publishing market is dying. This has been a known issue in the current industry. Alot of artists that I work with who works for Marvel, DC, etc are facing the problem... Some have more money than others to try to stay afloat but they can't deny the facts in their sales report.
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[Shadow_Twisted]

More so, the entirety of the post seems to be focused on the comics, proving that this is someone who has only read the comics from pirated sites, because anyone who is familiar with the site knows that the comics are not the only things offered. But of course, if you're doing something so illegal to destroy someone's livelihood, it makes the most "sense" to point and blame someone else as more of an evil figure.

To host a website has cost, I don't get why people think websites should just magically be there for free. The servers need regular maintenance, there has to be a connection with high bandwidth, which usually isn't cheap. My boss even got into a rather heated argument with a customer, the guy didn't pay his bill for like 3-4 months and my boss shut down his website and the guy is complaining about it. Water and gas companies will shut off your service if you don't pay, why expect anything else from a webhost?

Also, print does NOT get rid of the threat of piracy. Someone buys the comic, has a scanner, and presto! pirated comic uploaded to the web. Quality might suffer a bit, but the point is, it would still be on the web for free even in paper copy.

[DesertWolf]

Staind's Aaron Lewis said it best from his interview on EspyRock:

We all talk about how downloading affects sales and how it then affects your career but it is rarely addressed at a more personal level. Have you or do you still need to make sacrifices today because of what is happening or does the fact that you are still able to sell a good amount records allow you some breathing room compared to other artists?

"Well record sales make the machine go around and within the machine, nothing is free. It costs us a lot of money to go make the record but that’s when we also make our money. We get a little piece of money up front to go and make the record and what’s left over is what we get as an advance; that’s really the only money we will ever see from the record and sales. The machine will not be able to work without record sales funding the labels who then help us by contributing to the costs of recording. Nothing is free, we have to spend our money effectively to make this album but people are not prepared to purchase the album and attain it. They don’t care about the money, blood, sweat and tears that were invested into the process. The kids these days just don’t understand the market and how it works. The biggest sacrifice I’ve had to make over the years is how much time I can spend with my family. I need to work constantly now and if I don’t then how can I support them. It annoys me that I have to leave my family so much now and with everything that happened during this album, I think the fact we went back to a heavy and aggressive sound really helped me just get rid of a lot of that anger."
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[Ronald]

ShadowTwisted you are on the ball my friend. And DesertWolf too

That's pretty much true. Hosting is not free. Bandwidth is not free.

I need to make money to pay bills to keep things operational and running smoothly.

It's the little things and inner workings that people don't think about.
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[Silvador]

[Evan_Himmel]

The reason thous dumb asses dont think of site matenence and brandwith, is becuase they are use to sites that are kept afloat and on due to ad revenue. You know thous stupid ads that you usualy see at the top of a site, or more annoying thous ads that say "congradulations, you are a winner."

[UltimaWolf0]

It continues:

"Well, my standing is that I don't pay to see porn - period. I can see better furry adult art on Furaffinity (Bagheera comes to mind), the so-called "story" of the comic is hilariously bad, the sex scenes are generally too short, and the artist has very little variety when drawing characters, same species looks generally the same just in different colors.

They should make their site a free-for-all viewing site, and stuff the website full of advertisements which would get them a lot money. Every other webcomic does that. Add some paying content like paper format comics, mugs, t-shirts, the like, and they have a good business."

[Shadow_Twisted]

I had mentioned before (probably in my 3D avatars thread) about wanting to make a PBB line of items on IMVU. I could try to take up that prospect again in my free time and deliver profits to the right channel. The extra advantage to this besides some additional profit is advertisement. My Blood Tiger items have actually been selling periodically, earning slight profits. The more products, the broader the audience. The broader the audience the more sales. The more sales, the more money coming back to the site.

If I get permission for the go ahead, I'd probably see what I can do about automating the forwarding of sales reports to Vanessa and Ronald and then get started.

[Silvador]

"To be honest I love the sites that try and hide the comments by making each panel it's own image or something simliar.

I switch my computer monitor rotation 90 degrees so vertical becomes horizontal, the entire comic page is now visible and I print screen, save it and crop. Sure it sucks but only 29 more days to go until entire site rips up.

Yay :3 The more they do this the more determined I get."

Might want to check those subscription records or something, Ronald.
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[Rune174]

I always save the pages of the comics just because it started after I began playing the strip games. The completionist inside me just told me to save and cataglogue the image which spilled over from the games.
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[Ronald]

We plan to switch up the format of the pages after the current issue.


We're thinking of doing the pages in a horizontal format mainly because everybody are using Laptops and Wide Format LCD monitors now a days.

Nobody uses CRT anymore, and the traditional portrait format for comics is a bit old school.
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[Silvador]

[Ronald]

Unless he's a loyal member he wont get the loyal content.

Aside from the pinups and comics our games run only on our site requiring an internet connection to play.

Especially the one with HighScores.

Reward contents requiring games to be solved he won't be ripping without solving them.

If anybody comes across a site that has our content 'ripped', let me know. I will be sure to get my admin to send them DMCA violation notices and take necessary legal actions against the service provider hosting the content.

If you notice MEGAUPLOAD and other file sharing sites are facing legal actions right now.
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http://www.eadultgames.com/ - adult games, strip poker, strip blackjack, and more.

[Ronald]

This is one of the main reasons why we are working towards doing an MMO game where the content is not something you rip. It's basically the game experience that you will lose out on if you just sit around viewing captured screen shots.

This is one of the big reasons alot of browser games are doing so well and why there are so many popping up.
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http://www.eadultgames.com/ - adult games, strip poker, strip blackjack, and more.

[Silvador]

[Ronald]

[Silvador]

I'm pretty sure you already know the site, Ronald. I pointed it out to you a while back. And this particular gem came from it, that you said you'd already seen. But if you'd like, I can still send you the link in an email.

[Ronald]

Oh that site again. Yeah UltimaWolf sent me the link.

I'll pop by there again and see what's up and talk to my admin on what's going on.

Bunch of idiots there.

-R
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http://www.eadultgames.com/ - adult games, strip poker, strip blackjack, and more.

[DesertWolf]

I still have an e-mail address of the owner/admin of said site if you want it Ron.
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[DarkAura_Tyler]

I know that this idea is quite obvious and it would probably be stupid of me to bring it up, but have you considered making it so that all of the newer comics (5 most recent issues) Undownloadable, the same way you did with all the newer comics for the members, but not loyal members?, but except there is no exception no matter what kind of member you are? or maybe just for Royal Members? I'm just trying to come up with some way to help.
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[Shadow_Twisted]

[Ronald]

[DesertWolf]

On it's way Ron.I hope it works.
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[DesertWolf]

Just for the update.

I helped Ron get the PBB content removed from a certain site.
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[Foxonian]

I know saying this may raise a bit of argument,but would increasing the membership fee by say $5 (US) bring in enough extra income to keep the site going for another year or so? I understand that there are few of us left who have been able to keep our memberships updated,but I felt that it didn't hurt to ask.I know I would gladly kick in the extra amount .